Copycat copout: jesus was not made up from pagan myths published: 15 october 2011 (gmt+10) linda e writes concerning an agnostic friend who wrote in support of the copycat thesis: the idea that the gospels copied its stories about jesus from pagan myths. In spite of having been pronounced dead even by intelligent skeptics, the thesis that judaism and christianity consist merely of stolen pagan myths and ideas continues to be promulgated by the uncritical and accepted by the gullible. Feedback archive → feedback 2009 was christianity plagiarized from pagan myths published: 10 january 2009 (gmt+10) image courtesy of wwwholylandphotosorg refuting the copycat thesis. Today mithraism is religiously a non-factor, but it still competes with christianity, in another way: it is a leading candidate for the pagan copycat thesis crowd as a supposed source for.
Best answer: confronting the copycat thesis a multi-essay examination j p holding in spite of having been pronounced dead even by intelligent skeptics, the thesis that judaism and christianity consist merely of stolen pagan myths and ideas continues to be promulgated by the uncritical and accepted by the gullible. For example, the criticisms of the pagan copycat thesis and the christ myth thesis were available on this site long before these topics received any substantial response in book form. By jp holding| back in the roman era, mithraism was perhaps christianity's leading competitor for the hearts and minds of others today mithraism is religiously a non-factor, but it still competes with christianity, in another way: it is a leading candidate for the pagan copycat thesis crowd as a supposed source for christianity.
Since the celebration of christmas was a custom instituted later, the second century is far too early for the pagan copycat thesis to be valid to explain how the church fathers arrived at this date, we need to examine first the date of john the baptist's conception as told in luke. Synopsis the historic picture of jesus is under an intellectual onslaught from radical scholars, popular historians, television documentaries, feature films, bestselling authors, internet bloggers, muslim debaters, and atheist think tanks. I didn't find much on the pagan copycat thesis in the book, so i decided to create my own solution to it, which i posted as a youtube video entitled jesus came from osiris-dionysus a defense of scripture, which i posted on easter sunday.
Harpur, tom-- author of the pagan christ helms, randel --author of gospel fictions , which proposes that the nt borrowed content from the ot higgins, godfrey -- early proponent of the copycat thesis. Today mithraism is religiously a non-factor, but it still competes with christianity, in another way: it is a leading candidate for the pagan copycat thesis crowd as a supposed source for christianity. The pagan copycat thesis, in all its forms, is also torn to shreds in the book the parallels between jesus and other religious figures from ancient world are generic, non-existent or the figure in question postdates christianity, so the borrowing goes in the wrong direction. In the final analysis, the christianity-as-pagan-copycat thesis hardly deserves anyone's attention it rests on a foundation of bogus century-old scholarship that has long since been discarded are you sure you want to report it. One other point that was missed in the above chart is the fact that jesus probably wasn't born on december the 25th we don't know when he was born, so to try and draw links there is just foolish.
Common objection #22- jesus is just a 'pagan copycat' of mithras this is very popular internet claim many skeptics will point to the ancient deity mithras as a savior who seemingly appeared four hundred years prior to the first christians. This parallel pagan argument or copycat thesis is found on a number of web sites critical of christianity (mainly hyper-skeptical or atheist sites), and several christian apologetics responses are available as well (see sources and links below. All the claims that they came from pagan festivals cannot be substantiated and have no solid or even credible evidence all the evidence indicates they were christian first longer answer: easter clearly comes from the german word meaning resurrection and which is the same root as east, referring to the rising of the sun. The copycat thesis was popular among sceptical theologians during the 1920s during this period rudolph bultmann and ch dodd each compiled lists of 300 parallels between pagan religions and the christ story. Greg's opening commentary on str's radio broadcast on february 8th was a critique of the pagan copycat thesis as it is put forward in the movie zeitgeist (and also in certain books by radical fringe scholars and scholar-wannabes) i agree with greg's assessment that the copycat thesis is without rational merit, but i disagree with his way of.
For a more serious and detailed treatment of the pagan copycat thesis see the pagan copycat hub at jp holding's website we also cover this fallacy in our dvd , the real jesus was the story of jesus stolen from the greek deity dionysus. In order to maintain a pagan copycat thesis, you need a specific, genealogical parallel between the nt narrative and a particular pagan myth the one you offered fails that test an analogical parallel does not qualify as anything more than that, especially when cited as an ad homineum argument by a secondary source using it for a specific purpose. Regardless of who you are, the thesis that christianity was copied from pagan religions has been denounced by educated scholars for quite some time now the debate now is if christ rose from the dead. Purveyors of a pagan copycat thesis of some sort -- whether it be acharya s and her mystical parallels, or richard carrier and his social parallels -- depend on the same sort of imaginative methodology utley did for his study of lincoln.
Atheist lies - horus meme refuted cmi also has a number of good articles on this topic such as pagan copycat thesis refuted posted by surfer brendan at. Life and career jonathan sarfati was born in ararat, australia in 1964 he moved to new zealand as a child and received his early education there he graduated from victoria university of wellington with a bsc (hons) in chemistry with two physics papers substituted, and a phd in chemistry, based on his thesis: a spectroscopic study of some chalcogenide ring and cage molecules.
On the pagan copycat thesis: i've used both yours and lewis' method in dealing with this with yours, i completely agree that there are no genuine parallels when you get down to detail, there's just an ocean of difference between the concept of christ's dying and rising and all the other pagan gods' dying and rising. The copycat thesis is strongly rejected by the vast majority of christians but is accepted by many skeptics most conservative christians look upon the bible as a top-down document: one revealed by god to humans.